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When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite 
11th-Dec-2009 10:47 am
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Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual. Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

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11th-May-2012 08:47 am (UTC)
1 Kings 22:41-46, "And Jehoshaphat the son of Asa began to reign over Judah in the fourth year of Ahab king of Israel. Jehoshaphat was thirty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and five years in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Azubah the daughter of Shilhi. And he walked in all the ways of Asa his father; he turned not aside from it, doing that which was right in the eyes of the LORD: nevertheless the high places were not taken away; for the people offered and burnt incense yet in the high places. And Jehoshaphat made peace with the king of Israel. Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, and his might that he shewed, and how he warred, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah? And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land."

2 Kings 23:7, "And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove."
3. The Prophets of the Old Testament Speak Against it:

Isaiah 1:9, "Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah."

Isaiah 3:9, "The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves."

Isaiah 13:19, "And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah."

Lamentations 4:6, "For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her."

Ezekiel 16:49, "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

19th-May-2012 05:15 am (UTC)
As I mentioned above, references to the destruction of Sodom are quite irrelevant when talking about homosexuality, since there is no hint in the Bible that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexual activity. Not taking care of the poor and needy? Yep. Sexual immorality? For sure. But homosexuality? Nope.
11th-May-2012 08:47 am (UTC)
4. The New Testament Speaks Against it:

Romans 1:26-32, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

1 Corinthians 6:9-11, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

1 Timothy 1:9-10, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

2 Peter 2:6, "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;"

Jude 7, "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
12th-May-2012 07:44 pm (UTC)
I am just eternally confused as to why a rational God would, and by extension, its worshippers, actually give a shit as to who is fucking who, and in what orifice, especially between two consenting adults.
11th-May-2012 08:49 am (UTC)
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11th-May-2012 09:03 am (UTC)
Thank you for the information. I think it will surprize my ortodox homophobic friends and may be make them change their opinion on homosexuality.
11th-May-2012 09:27 am (UTC)
I can't believe that some people can be that brainless. Article has not a single citation, what it is pointing to is a complete lie. So Orthodox have been living for centuries and FINALLY some guy in the LJ, whose name is not even known (check who is the author of the article) opens our eyes -))))
11th-May-2012 10:08 am (UTC)
seems a bit strange that this place ,of all places should be used to promote christian homophobic bigotry,hetrosexual i am can't help that,but love and marry who you want,its a devine right .whole of the law.now yow lot go to church worship your false god ,leave this place ,to people who don't hate.PLEASE.end
11th-May-2012 10:27 am (UTC)
Right, please stop it. You wanna marry same sex people - do it. Why do you have to attack Christians? Why do you need writing this lie articles, falsify what we believe in?

Church says its opinion to people who believe in It - you can't have homosexual marriages. That's it. We (Christians) do not write articles around attacking homosexuals. You can't force people not to be homosexual (ok), but you can't force me not believe that homosexuality is immoral and is a great sin in the eye of God.
11th-May-2012 11:14 am (UTC)
Gosh Thanks for posting this. I never knew this and it interesting to see that it was infact Rome/The Vatican that issued a decree against same sex unions.... again supporting that there is no explicit words attributed to either God or Jesus to "ban homosexuality" the texts often cited are written by man.....Jesus said to love one another as brothers.... Can't quite see how that can be misconstrued
11th-May-2012 11:15 am (UTC)
Fascinating. The kind of history that loud-mouthed "Christian" bigots need to learn.
11th-May-2012 12:45 pm (UTC)
"The Church" also had loads of people killed at one point. That doesn't mean God sanctioned it.
11th-May-2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
This is the same god that "divinely inspired" the Bible right?

...Um. That's the kind of god that could probably get behind killing some people. I mean, he was down with stoning people. It's pretty easy to believe that, if he existed, he sanctioned it. God as seen in the Bible is rather bloodthirsty.
11th-May-2012 12:50 pm (UTC)
Also - do your research before you just grasp something as absolute truth and go around telling other people that this means something. The Bible clearly states that men should not lie with men, period. You already have your info right there.
11th-May-2012 03:04 pm (UTC)
why are you talking about the bible on a pagan site? ,answer please
11th-May-2012 12:58 pm (UTC)
As a Christian, I've never been taught that homosexuality didn't exist. There are several counts in the Bible where it speaks out against homosexual behavior. Leviticus 18:22 says "you shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female, it is an abomination". Lets also not forget Gods wrath on the unrepented homosexuals in Sodom and Gomorrah. He is the creator and I believe it pains him to see His creation in such despair.
11th-May-2012 01:12 pm (UTC)
I was 11 years old, in Catholic school. I told the teacher about my girlfriend and was told, explicitly, that people didn't do that. Not "The Bible says...." or even "It's wrong"

"It doesn't happen."

Sooo yeah. I was a very confused 11 year old who was just told she didn't even exist!
11th-May-2012 01:39 pm (UTC)
I love how there's been concrete evidence refuting the source of the original blog post, in addition to there being zero footnotes or links to some of the claims, yet people insist on commenting "wow, this is great! I will now accept this and use it against the close minded bigots!"

Looks like there's close-minded "lets only read what we *want* to read" folks on both sides of this.
19th-May-2012 05:54 am (UTC)
Looks like there's close-minded "lets only read what we *want* to read" folks on both sides of this.

Indeed! I agree the original article is kinda stupid, but the resulting discussion is... interesting.
11th-May-2012 02:06 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting this. Read some of the comments. People can be so ignorant. It is sad.

God doesn't make junk. God makes no mistakes.

Men do.
11th-May-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
yep so fukin sad tolerance ,wonder what your christ would say about this kind of crap ,why are you lot on this site ,bigotry and hatred ,leave the fair minded decent people alone PLEASE
11th-May-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
I was shocked reading these comments, thinking in what world do these people consider themselves anthropologists and then I remembered this story was posted on Spotlight. Should have known being on the Lj's home page would bring in the crazies.
11th-May-2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
why are they here ? haters ,shocking ,i don't have a problem wiv christians ileave them alone,do your own thing these people are not christian they are tnucs ,right wing looneys ,SOD that ,really glad i believe in something better,i don't go on christian websites and say... well i wouldn't got far too much respect few my fellow man to do that .Why ?
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