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When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite 
11th-Dec-2009 10:47 am
Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual. Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

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13th-May-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
Fascinating! I had no idea!
13th-May-2012 09:08 pm (UTC)
What a load of hogwash.
13th-May-2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
Good article linked to historical facts--yet, it does not show that Jesus would have condone gay marriage. He might have, but this article is not that thesis. This article does show another facet of the church of Peter, where it adapts in response to political or economic pressures, so as to best preserve and secure power. This is helpful in our modern arena, when pundits obscure religion with teachings of the prophets that inspired others to cannonize and institutionalize their messages.

Gay marriage is a sane and valid alternative, because it creates unions. Where there are unions, the social fabric is stronger. Where the social fabric is strong, communities prosper. Prospering communities create vibrant and successful people of all ages, gender, race, et cetera et cetera. Vive la difference!

14th-May-2012 01:12 am (UTC)
You're using the term "historical fact" loosely here of course. Boswell's work has been thoroughly debunked by established academia. His research was slanted, revisionist, and angled to fit his own foregone conclusions and desired result. That's why his sources are no longer available here. They are spurious at best.
14th-May-2012 02:33 am (UTC)
Still a bunch of crap. One mans opinion and doesn't mean anything. As far as I'm concerned, its just someone trying to justify a perversion...and not having any luck.
14th-May-2012 09:20 pm (UTC)
Right on Millard. Check out the unbiased reaearch of non-Christian NARTH. The National Association for the Research and Treatment of Homosexuality. This a secular, clinical counseling organization mind you.
14th-May-2012 03:12 am (UTC)
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
14th-May-2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
People will believe anything today. Especially if it's what they want to hear.
14th-May-2012 10:07 am (UTC)
"Original Article" link: 'Error 404'.
Is there a valid link to the original article?
15th-May-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
As usual, most liberals will search the entire world to find a few instances to try and disprove the Bible's text or disprove the Bible's consistency. People's nature is to try and find an excuse for their personal misbehavior by finding an example of where someone supposedly a Christian misbehaved in a similar fashion.
Truth be known, to ever rule, to every belief, to every dogma, people can be found that do not follow the rules when supposedly members of that same group that set the rules. They are the rebels, the group that let ego, or pride, or selfishness blind them to God's truths. That is because man is basically a sinful creature. We were born in sin, Satan brought the world to sin in the Garden of Eden. Since that time, man has come into the world as a sinful creature, and always has had to be taught right from wrong, God's laws versus man's laws.
Most of the problem can be traced back to the biggest flaw of mankind, and that is our prideful nature. The media, our bosses, our competitiveness, all are things in the world that tell us in someway we are special, we deserve the best, we can fix or do anything we set our minds to. The realities, however, that go along with this type of mindset and behaviors are virtually always a road to destruction. As the title of the James Bond movie said, "The World is Not Enough. Man is never satisfied, because when we achieve all the riches that the world can provide, we spend most of our time then either trying to keep our material goods from being stolen or swindled from us, trying to fill our guilty consciences for being so rich when so many in the world are poor, starving, sick, and hungry that we try to give our wealth away to fix as much of the word as possible, yet still maintain our status as one of the world's richest, or becoming like Howard Hughes, and withdrawing from the world into our own private hell.
God doesn't need our riches, he needs us. And when we wise up and truly give ourselves away in His service, then we begin to feel that emptiness leave us, and we only want more of those "God moments"; those times when we can really sense God's presence, see His way of acknowledging us, and allowing us to communicate with Him however He allows it.
As long as we put ourselves, our selfish nature ahead of following God's plan for our lives, we will never really attain the satisfaction that comes from putting everyone else's need for God and our efforts to let them know the benefits of that personal relationship with him. And there is nothing that they, or we can do until total surrender takes place.
15th-May-2012 01:59 pm (UTC)
Well said my friend. Well said. There is nothing that this world has to offer that even comes to close to knowing God.
15th-May-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
Romans 1:25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
16th-May-2012 04:33 am (UTC)
Not sure of your point... These verses describe straight men (and women) who gave up their natural desires for the opposite sex (their natural desires, since they were straight, not gay) in lust for one another, as a consequence of worshipping idols. What does this have to do with homosexual marriage?

Here's some verses you may prefer (they're often used against those who argue the church should change its stance on gay marriage)... 1 Timothy 4:1:

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons

Of course, it goes on to say...

Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods

17th-May-2012 10:23 pm (UTC)
This is only further proof of the apostasy of the early Christian church after the death of Christ and his apostles. If only there was a church that had the priesthood authority in its pure form as it existed in Christ's time.
19th-May-2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
Bull hockey! You lost me at Yale History Professor.
Heres an association for the Professor at Yale...HOMOSEXUALITY - HELL. I suppose your going to say Im hellophobic next. My story at www.hope7.highpowersites.net
23rd-May-2012 11:05 am (UTC)
Its All irrelevant. Why argue about outmoded ancient superstitions?
31st-May-2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
Wow, are you guys all f****** retarded? I'm embarrassed for anyone who actually believes this.
14th-Jun-2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
Thank you....it is the best article I have recently read about marriage. It is most probably the the church will ignore this. Ignorance it is more then natural for the modern church.
4th-Jan-2013 04:33 am (UTC)
This article as well as the evidence it is based on is false... Here is a link explaining everything. Please take a minute to read and watch the video.

26th-Nov-2012 12:29 am (UTC)
How many times did God warn you in The KJV Bible that homosexuality is abomination ? Romans 1:25-27,32. Leviticus 18:22. Jude 1:7. Gay marriage is anti-Christian. So-called GLBT churches are cults and are ministers of Satan who drop to Hell like toads. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
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